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Bro. Turner
From
History of the Reformation by Merle D'Aubigne, Bk. 5, Ch.
4, read his account of a debate between Eck (Roman Catholic) and
Carlstadt (Protestant). D'Aubigne favored Carlstadt.
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"Man's
will, before his conversion," said Carlstadt, "can
perform no good work: every good work comes entirely and
exclusively from God who gives man first the will to do, and then
the power of accomplishment." This truth had been proclaimed
by the Scripture, which says: "It is God which worketh in you
both to will and to do of his good pleasure;" and by Saint
Augustine, who, in his dispute with the Pelagians, had enunciated
it in nearly the same terms...Now there is in man a natural
opposition to God — an opposition that the unaided strength of
man cannot surmount. He has neither the will nor the power to
overcome it. This must therefore be affected by the Divine will...
"I
acknowledge," said Eck, "that the first impulse in man's
conversion proceeds from God, and that the will of man in this
instance is entirely passive." Thus far the two parties were
agreed. "I acknowledge," said Carlstadt, "that
after this first impulse which proceeds from God, something must
come on the part of man, — something that St. Paul denominates will,
and which the fathers entitle consent." Here again
they were both agreed: but from this point they diverged.
"This consent of man," said Eck, "comes partly from
our natural will, and partly from God's grace."
"No," said Carlstadt; "God must entirely create
this will in man."
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The
basic issue is "free will" (so poorly understood today);
and how this affects the nature of "conversion."
Honestly, do you agree with Eck, the Catholic, or with Carlstadt,
the Protestant; or with neither? And what is your
"Bible" explanation?
Note
that both men agreed that man was so depraved before his
conversion he could do "no good work." The issue then
becomes: does God affect man directly and immediately, or
intermediately (through media of the word and human facilities)?
If by "first impulse" (par. 2) both mean. God's love and
preparation for man's redemption (Christ's sacrifice and the
inspired gospel message) we are "with" them. But we deny
a depravity that erases man's capacity to receive truth; and we
believe the unconverted man's will can be changed by the inspired
word of God (His instrument), no other or direct Divine
influence being needed.
Augustine
(an earlier Catholic theologian) and Carlstadt say, "No, God
must entirely create this will in man" — and cite Phil.
2:13. We believe that passage recognizes the moral influence of
God on saints (as Satan affects children of disobedience, Eph.
2:2) without negating individual responsibility. "Work out
your own salvation" clearly calls for human response. God
works to the end that we choose, and we work to obey
Him. The inspired verse itself (Phil. 2:12-13) is an
excellent example of how God works to bring about obedient
saints.
If
we made greater effort to grasp such basic matters we would not be
so confused by today's "spirit" issues.
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